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40x50 Shop With Living Quarters

Winfal_Farms

Posted 1/14/2017 20:29 (#5768552)
Subject: Pole barn/shop with living quarters....

Pataskala Oh

Does anyone on here have a setup like this?? I'm to a point where I could use the extra storage for equipment or/and a shop.. My old farmhouse is getting to a point where I just don't want to spend money on it.. Built in the mid 1800's it has served its purpose and done well but it's time to move on.. I'd like to build where my house sits now. I'm not sure what size to go.. In my head I feel like a 40 or 50x100 would be plenty large enough but what I'm curious of is if anyone on here has something like this?? Floor plans? I'm not a house builder by any means so ideal room sizes I know nothing about... If you have info or pictures please post!!! Thanks!!! nekfarmer

Posted 1/14/2017 20:37 (#5768575 - in reply to #5768552)
Subject: RE: Pole barn/shop with living quarters....

NE KS

I have seen many around that are nice. A few have even built stand alone houses out of pole barn material, and simple design that look to be ok. I saw a shouse (shed/house) the other day that must of been one of the originals and looked like an old run down Morton building. The tin was faded and some of the tin was blown off of the rear part (storage/shed). My 150 yr old house looked in much better shape than this building. Just guessing it was probably built in the late 80's. Pofarmer

Posted 1/14/2017 20:39 (#5768585 - in reply to #5768552)
Subject: RE: Pole barn/shop with living quarters....

Here's a plan we've been working in for a while for a 1 story ranch. Neighbor took a 60x80 and used 20' off one end of it for a house. When he remarried a lady with kids they added a master suite off to one side.

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Pofarmer

Posted 1/14/2017 20:44 (#5768608 - in reply to #5768575)
Subject: RE: Pole barn/shop with living quarters....

That's one if my concerns, what will this thing look like in thirty five years? Brassring

Posted 1/14/2017 21:02 (#5768638 - in reply to #5768585)
Subject: RE: Pole barn/shop with living quarters....

St.Clair Co. IL.

not wanting to throw cold water on your idea, cause I thought about it yrs. ago too,BUT check with your insurance company and zoning before you do anything, Your insurance company may not insure it for living and shop/storage shed. And zoning may not allow it without proper fire breaks and specific building rules.
Just saying check now better than finding out later after you done built it.
Bob Angus8335

Posted 1/14/2017 21:14 (#5768662 - in reply to #5768552)
Subject: RE: Pole barn/shop with living quarters....

Galena IL

We have one. My son needed a place to live,I need more equipment storage and a place to keep a feeding tractor warm. We have a 66X150 Morton shed with a T 36X48 addition. The main shed is 18 ft inside height with in floor heat in the 50X66 shop area. the T has 10 height, a garage run with the 150 main shed it has one door in and another door out. Makes a separation from the shop. That leaves him with a 36X36 "break room" to live in. It also has zoned in floor heat. The washer and dryer,water heater,and boiler are all in the shop area.
It's where my son lives but it is build for dad, No backing up the car, the doors are all 36" wide for a wheel chair, the shower is level and big enough it needs no door. So when dad can't handle the steps where I live I can move up there. My email is good if you want more info..... Dennis Lizton farmer

Posted 1/14/2017 21:22 (#5768680 - in reply to #5768638)
Subject: RE: Pole barn/shop with living quarters....

lizton IN

Zoning around here would try and shut that down quick. The other draw back is things running in the shop. You would have smoke in your house. And any smell also. But most it would depend on how you use your shop. If you are just using it for general repairs then you should be all right. If you do a lot of cutting and welding or if rebuild engines or paint a lot. Its nice to be able to shut the door and go to the house. I am sure you can do things to change the air if need be.

Keith

Pofarmer

Posted 1/14/2017 21:43 (#5768736 - in reply to #5768638)
Subject: RE: Pole barn/shop with living quarters....

No zoning, no problems with insurance, no problems building it with proper fire breaks, either. Quite a few of them built around here for residences.

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Pofarmer

Posted 1/14/2017 21:49 (#5768750 - in reply to #5768680)
Subject: RE: Pole barn/shop with living quarters....

Typically guys will use a well sealed exterior door between the house portion and the shop portion. Their will also normally be a double layer of drywall clear to the roof for a fire break. They really don't bring in much smell.

White Workhorse

Posted 1/14/2017 22:19 (#5768814 - in reply to #5768638)
Subject: RE: Pole barn/shop with living quarters....

Sourthern WI

No shortage of them here in central Iowa so there can't be too many road blocks that can't be overcome.

I've sometimes wondered if you could build it such that there is a garage space between the house and shop to add an additional buffer for smells/smoke.

eight

Posted 1/14/2017 23:02 (#5768875 - in reply to #5768552)
Subject: RE: Pole barn/shop with living quarters....

South Texas

I always say it's a bad idea, I like some separation of home and work. Very little extra expense to make two separate buildings. Know a guy who built one, house on one end, then garage that is closed off from the shop, then shop. Helps keep the mess out of the house. kritzy

Posted 1/14/2017 23:06 (#5768883 - in reply to #5768552)
Subject: RE: Pole barn/shop with living quarters....

red river valley se of fargo

Following. Buehler

Posted 1/14/2017 23:55 (#5768920 - in reply to #5768875)
Subject: RE: Pole barn/shop with living quarters....

Scott City KS

eight - 1/14/2017 22:02

I always say it's a bad idea, I like some separation of home and work. Very little extra expense to make two separate buildings. Know a guy who built one, house on one end, then garage that is closed off from the shop, then shop. Helps keep the mess out of the house.

Here too. I live in town for that very reason.

I internalize a lot of stuff, so maybe other guys are different.

32 wcf

Posted 1/15/2017 00:24 (#5768942 - in reply to #5768552)
Subject: RE: Pole barn/shop with living quarters....

Montana

If you ever plan on selling it off I think there are issues with banks loaning money on improved pole buildings. They need a foundation. barren

Posted 1/15/2017 06:01 (#5769024 - in reply to #5768942)
Subject: RE: Pole barn/shop with living quarters....

Glasgow, Ky

Was thinking the same thing regarding a banks perspective on loaning money to build one of them. I would think the resale on them would not be as good as a regular house in that the potential buyers would be much more limited.
As an older gentleman told me many years ago, always build a home that can be split off from the farm relatively easy. You never know what the future holds. rosiesdad

Posted 1/15/2017 06:19 (#5769037 - in reply to #5769024)
Subject: RE: Pole barn/shop with living quarters....

Western-Central Lower Michigan

barren - 1/15/2017 06:01

I second this. As you get older, your perspective changes.

jdironman

Posted 1/15/2017 07:31 (#5769117 - in reply to #5769037)
Subject: RE: Pole barn/shop with living quarters....

Nw Iowa

We purchased a bare little piece of land on a lake because I wanted to be a ways from farm. Anyway before we sold our old house I built a storage shed on the property with 24x50 office hobby shop with a 10' ceiling. It has floor heat and was basically split into the shop part and a large office with a kitchenette. It was attached to a 50x80 shed with 14' ceilings with ainsulated 32x50 end. Well making a long story short our old house which was not on our farm was sold by word of mouth ( was in small town close to our farm) for a good price in a very slow market so we looked at our options and moved into the hobby shop, office. We changed the office into a living room , kitchen and shop area into a bedroom , laundry. Because of some zoning issues and changing designs of the house and kind of a slow construction process we ended up living in that space for over two 1/2 years. Than as our new house was finished our daughter and son in law had a chance to sell their house and use the money to buy their first farm so they moved in the "shed" for 5 years. They were considering putting up another shed house on a wooded property I have. So this is what I learned after experience.
1. It was sure nice to get into a solid house. A pole barn is not the same as a house.
2. If you are going to build a shed to live in your costs will be similar to a basic home. Interior costs will be identical, doors and windows will also be identical if you are fair and put in same quality. Heating and cooling and electrical will be same or more. In floor heat is only way to go for heating but what about cooling. If you are just going to use pole construction you will save on exterior and sheeting but that is about it but if I was going to live in it I would all cement footings with stud wall construction.
3. No basement, not a big deal in some areas of the country but in our cold and some summer storms a basement can be a big deal. A basement is not that expensive and if you do floor heat and have a walkout area very reasonable per ft living space.
4. Of course you have to have a fire break between the home part and shed but in the event of a bad fire do you want both your shop and your home destroyed?
5 I ended up returning the area back to my original intent so I didn't have resale issues but it would definetely be a concern.
6. Wasn't huge issue but you just have more bugs, spiders and more rodent problems with attached building.
7. Not real easy to add on too.
8. Big big deal Wife happy with idea?
I think where people have used this concept the most is a cabin type thing or a place where mom or dad or family member wants to stay for 1/2 year and travel the other 1/2. Their are definitely some neat pole buildings used as houses , I think Mortons web site has some very good pictures but these are not cheap.
Our kids ended up buying a neighbors well maintained 15 year old house on the lake for slightly more than they were going to put in a non basement shed house . I know they are a lot happier and I am happy to have my office, hobby shop back. I am not a expert in very much but living in a shed I have done. 4430deere

Posted 1/15/2017 08:02 (#5769166 - in reply to #5768552)
Subject: RE: Pole barn/shop with living quarters....

I converted a corner of a shop into a very basic living quarters and lived there for 5 years. Basically, it saved me a ton of money and worked well for me at the time. Wouldn't do it again now that I am married. I would sum up my experience as it was a good place to lie down but no place to call home. ac45

Posted 1/15/2017 08:20 (#5769217 - in reply to #5769166)
Subject: RE: Pole barn/shop with living quarters....

Depends how you use it. Resale is not much if any for what u put into it if area is large and fully finished. I do think the small kitchenette apartment idea has some merit say as a place to say for 6 months while you build house etc. I'm not sure how the banks write mortgages. Will they do conventional loan? I find it hard to belive they would. SoupSammich

Posted 1/15/2017 09:10 (#5769319 - in reply to #5768552)
Subject: RE: Pole barn/shop with living quarters....

SC IA

Building one right now. Living quarters 40x50 (less front porch) , shop 40x54. Local builder is doing the barn and interior wall frame-up, I'll do the rest.

As to concerns that it's not as tight as a house, a you can see, we went with osb sheathing and house wrap on the living quarters portion. Steel goes over the top. Trusses 2 ft apart over the residence as well. Our builder has done several this way, and says it's just as quiet as a stick built house. (He builds those too.) I would say just as solid as the average house, only with a 50 year roof and siding. That said, we understand that this will not be an heirloom type house. It will last me as long as I need a house, after which my kids can bulldoze it, rent it out to white trash, or whatever. It won't owe them or me anything.

Bathroom is accessible from the shop without walking through the house. Also an "office" type space only accessible from the shop, but will be heated. The wife says it's her junk room. I may have to concede that one.

Have 2 bays for cars in the corner of the shop. Walls are 16' tall in the shop, so that leaves enough overhead room for a storage loft. Also leaves the possibility of enclosing and heating the garage corner permanently. I've measured it out, I should be able to get the combine or planter in there no problem, loft or no.

I get the separation of work and home.... but my "work" is in town. My farm work is never done under ideal circumstances, it's done at crunch time when I can't screw around. The convenience of being next to the house was too much to pass up. Plus, who doesn't want to be 30 feet from supper when a project is getting the better of you?

As for the bank, it's true that not all of them will lend for a pole barn house. But, turns out FCSA was more than happy to lend for the project. It helps that I had 70% equity, and my farm and operating notes are there as well.

Last pic is a couple little guys I found in a ditch while trenching in my electric. People suck sometimes.

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twraska

Posted 1/15/2017 09:39 (#5769380 - in reply to #5768552)
Subject: RE: Pole barn/shop with living quarters....

Wallis, TX

Quite a few 'barndaminiums' around here. Most are for weekend houses or hunting cabins trying to evade the property taxes. (They hope the tax man thinks is just a barn.) My son actually lives in one that was made out of an old cattle/feedlot barn. Not my cup of tea, but if done right you'll be OK. Big problem is keeping termites out the house with the wood in the ground. Here they just go right up the posts and have a field day.

Edited to add,,,,,, you can no longer use your momma's phrase,"shut the door, you think you live in a barn". Son told their 7 year old that, she looked at him and said, "yes we do". LOL

Edited by twraska 1/15/2017 09:42

Illinois Steve

Posted 1/15/2017 09:44 (#5769395 - in reply to #5768552)
Subject: RE: Pole barn/shop with living quarters....

North Central Illinois

This subject comes up pretty often on here. The bottom line is that it is very doable but in the in the end offers very little in the way of cost savings if done correctly. The main pitfalls have all been listed here. As mentioned by someone else the idea of an efficiency apartment for one person is pretty easily executed and can be done pretty reasonably. Trying to build living space for a family is a different matter. Other than cost comparison, the big drawback I see to it is future value and marketability. slowzuki

Posted 1/15/2017 09:53 (#5769417 - in reply to #5768552)
Subject: RE: Pole barn/shop with living quarters....

New Brunswick, Canada

Live in what you are talking about. Wouldn't do it again. Shop with bathroom and a bed in the office space works great. Having your family living on the other side of the wall from your air compressor and shop work sucks. Break downs in season don't care that your kids need to sleep.

Winfal_Farms - 1/14/2017 20:29

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Pofarmer

Posted 1/15/2017 10:16 (#5769477 - in reply to #5769417)
Subject: RE: Pole barn/shop with living quarters....

Other than the problems being connected to the shop, how do you like the house part?

Pofarmer

Posted 1/15/2017 10:19 (#5769489 - in reply to #5769319)
Subject: RE: Pole barn/shop with living quarters....

So they bookshelved between the columns, and had to use a heavy header to support the trusses on 2'. Is the 2' truss spacing just a Preference of the builder? By the time you add all the extra trusses and the sheeting you just lost most of the cost saving from the Pole barn construction method. Seems to me like you might as well frame 2x6's on a short stem wall at that point.

Neb. Nick

Posted 1/15/2017 10:22 (#5769492 - in reply to #5768552)
Subject: RE: Pole barn/shop with living quarters....

east central NE.

why build a building in a building. By the time you frame out the walls ,concrete insulation finish interior you have spent the same money and took up shop space. I put a little office in my shop and which I would have built it seperate on the side of the shop. The walls and roof of a house is the cheaper part to build. 3w farms

Posted 1/15/2017 10:49 (#5769538 - in reply to #5768552)
Subject: RE: Pole barn/shop with living quarters....

S.E. Iowa

I can build a nice conventional house on a piece of my farm ground live in it for many years and when the time comes if I want to sell it make a very good return on my investment. On the other hand a combination shop house pole building may have a hard time getting my investment back even when new, let alone 30 years from now. fox128

Posted 1/15/2017 16:44 (#5770224 - in reply to #5768552)
Subject: RE: Pole barn/shop with living quarters....

West Central IA

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SoupSammich

Posted 1/15/2017 17:11 (#5770283 - in reply to #5769489)
Subject: RE: Pole barn/shop with living quarters....

SC IA

@pofarmer good eye. 2x6 stud walls on a stem wall and frost footer was almost the way we went. It came down to builder preference here. He has done several this way, and yes it was cheaper. Not lots, but some. Also got a bid from an Amish guy to do exactly what you describe, he was same money, but there were other problems with using him. There are a lot of things I could have done to reduce cost, but everything was a compromise. We made concessions where we could, but lowest cost per square foot wasn't the driving force. I actually talked to Morton, Wick and Cleary as well. Each had a different way to do what I was asking. Some frost footer, some more like what I did.

Both local contractor types we talked to felt that closer spacing on the trusses was a good idea in the residential half. If you think about it, you probably know of several pole buildings that have lost a roof in a wind event, but a roof like this one will handle anything a conventional one will. More weight and more screws in more places. Plus quieter. Again, if I wanted to move in as cheaply as I could, this isn't the way.

I do dream of the 30x30 dirt cheap bachelor cabin that might have been. Life...What can you do?

Pofarmer

Posted 1/15/2017 17:55 (#5770395 - in reply to #5770224)
Subject: RE: Pole barn/shop with living quarters....

That looks really nice. Shingles on the house and steel on the shop or?

Pofarmer

Posted 1/15/2017 17:58 (#5770406 - in reply to #5770283)
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If the roof is spec'd right, I'm not worried about wind or snow loads. Take a laminated column and bolt clear through it and it will pull the column out of the ground before the truss connection gives. Also, when in residential, at least some of the trusses are going to be resting on walls and supported, there are generally only a couple of trusses that are truly clear span, or don't have a wall in close proximity. I think you'll be happy with what you do, just always wonder about why some folks do things certain ways. Thanks.

fox128

Posted 1/15/2017 19:46 (#5770684 - in reply to #5770395)
Subject: RE: Pole barn/shop with living quarters....

West Central IA

Shingles on all of it Bruised Spud

Posted 1/16/2017 06:11 (#5771271 - in reply to #5768883)
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Chaffee, Western New York

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Posted 1/16/2017 07:56 (#5771448 - in reply to #5770684)
Subject: RE: Pole barn/shop with living quarters....

ESW ND

If, Heaven forbid, a fire should ever start...I would rather lose the house or the shop....NOT BOTH!
I know what kind of noise I produce in my shop when working and my wife works 9pm to 8am....I don't think she'd greet me with a smile and a kiss if I have the air compressor on with the air wrench changing semi tires or pounding the living snot out of something with the sledge hammer.
Just my thoughts! Illinois Steve

Posted 1/16/2017 11:45 (#5771905 - in reply to #5771448)
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North Central Illinois

I know what you mean. For me when I am working on something in the shop it is sometimes helpful to walk away for a few hours or even overnight to think about an issue or options for something I am dealing with. Having the project only a door away would make the temptation to go out and have another go at it too strong. I like to leave the farm in general when I go to the house. I don't want it connected to my house.

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